Posted by Source: Correio da Manhã 19.07.2008, paper edition. Translations by forum posters Kazlux and Astro (here)
Depositions – Doctor friends of the McCanns spoke to the English police
Payne suspected of paedophilia
Twelve days after Maddie disappeared, a couple revealed the strange behaviour of one of the group’s members. Testimonies only reached the Judiciária in January this year
David Payne, one of the McCanns’ friends that were on holidays in the Algarve on the 3rd of May last year, when Madeleine disappeared, was suspected of paedophile behaviours.
The accusations were brought by a couple of friends that spent their holidays with part of the group in the summer of 2005 – themselves also English doctors. Twelve days after the British girl disappeared, Katherina and Arul could no longer keep the secret that had bothered them for two years and went to the police to make a statement. They revealed two conversations between Dave and Gerry, during which both revealed suspicious behaviour and indiciated sex with minors.
According to what CM was able to establish, the depositions were given on the 16th of May. But they only entered the process in January 2008 and are included in the 13th volume of the process files. At that point in time, Kate and Gerry were already arguidos, the rogatory letters had already been issued and the English, including Dave, showed their reluctance in returning to Portugal.
Touching the nipple
Katherina made a statement that was eight pages long. She reported holidays in Mallorca with several English [people], including the McCanns and the Paynes. Two incidents left her with serious doubts about the friends’ behaviour and lead her to create suspicions that were never confirmed.
The first one happened on a night when Gerry and Dave were talking about Maddie. Katherina does not know what they were saying but she remembers that Dave sucked on his fingers, pushing them into the mouth and pulling them out again, while his other hand traced a circle around the nipple, with a circular movement over the clothes. “That was done in a provocative manner”, recalls Katherina, who says that it stuck to her memory.
Days later, the scene repeated itself. The doctor saw Dave making the same gestures again, while he talked about his own daughter. Scared, Katherina said nothing about the incident. But she took special caution, asking her husband never to let the doctor come close to the bathroom when her daughter was having a bath.
Arul went to the police to tell the same story. Katherina’s companion confirmed the gestures that were made by Dave during the conversation with Gerry but asserted that he wasn’t aware that they were talking about Maddie. He did find the behaviour in extremely bad taste, but didn’t see it being repeated.
The incident ended up forgotten in his memory and it was only the disappearance of Madeleine, who had also been with them on the Mallorca vacation, that revived it.
During the deposition, Katherina went even further and said she had associated the gestures to someone who likes to watch child pornography. “I remember thinking whether he looked at the girls in a different manner”, she concluded.
Friends from school days
Arul and Kate were friends from their school days. They have known each other for approximately 20 years and that was the motive that led the couple to accompany the McCanns on their holidays to Mallorca. Arul and Katherina did not know Fiona and Dave and they only met again once, during a dinner that gathered several couples. When Maddie disappeared from the Ocean Club, Katherina remembered the incident in Mallorca. And she immediately tried to verify whether Dave had again been accompanying the McCann couple, as the suspicions about his behaviour still stood. In the deposition that was made to the English police, Katherina says she decided to give a statement when she saw the tv images. Dave was among the same holiday group.
Doubts in the case
Irishman not heard – An Irishman who was spending holidays in Praia da Luz also went to the English police to report that on the night of the 3rd of May he saw Gerry carrying Madeleine towards the beach. He was never heard through a rogatory letter.
Sending delayed – The difference between the date when the deposition was obtained and the time when it was sent is not explained in the process.CM knows that the English authorities did not provide an explanation, either.
Bank account info – The PJ tried to know the bank account situation of every element of the group, in order to search for possible motives for the crime. But the English answers were laconic and did not help the investigation.
Life stories – The life stories of Gerry and Kate McCann remain unknown. The PJ tried to verify whether Maddie’s mother suffered from depression but never received her clinical records, because the judge did not allow it.
Kate accused of conditioning the case
An intercalary report from the Polícia Judiciária, which was produced immediately before Kate and Gerry were made arguidos, accuses Madeleine’s parents of having conditioned the investigation. The document is signed by an inspector and was directed to Gonçalo Amaral, who was then coordinating the process.
The investigator then stated that the information that had been collected initially, was worked by the group in order to sustain the abduction theory. He guarantees that they all lied to protect themselves and even suggests that some could have been covering the crime up.
The testimony from Janne Turner [sic], who guarantees that she saw a man crossing the street with a child in his arms, is also questioned. The policeman said that Janne [sic] was only two or three metres away from Gerry but he failed to see the man. And that, by stating that the man was headed towards Murat’s house, she ended up orienting the investigation into a false direction, which led to an unnecessary waste of time.
The same report exposes other contradictions in the English’s depositions. Kate and Gerry say that they picked up their children from the crèche at 5.30 p.m., but while the former guarantees that they went for a half-hour run on the beach and only then returned to the apartment, her husband states that they went to play tennis during that period.
After that, at around 8 p.m., one of the elements of the group reportedly went to the apartment that had been rented by the couple. Kate says that he was there only for 30 seconds and then left. Gerry speaks about half an hour. The policeman remembers that the time difference is what is needed between asking whether everything is well, or advancing in case a crime has to be concealed.
Another situation that the authorities found strange was the fact that Kate, upon realizing that Maddie had disappeared, remained inside the apartment for ten minutes. Only then did she ask for help, leaving the twins asleep in their cots while she returned to the restaurant. The policeman who wrote the report asks how it is possible that a mother facilitates the safety of her other children when it is certain that by that time she was already screaming that her daughter had been abducted.
They could not see the apartment
Another contradiction was pointed out by the inspector who was in charge of the Maddie case. The policeman remembered that the McCanns asserted that their position inside the restaurant was a strategic one, so they could see the apartment where their children were sleeping. But according to several testimonies, Kate and Gerry had their backs turned to the apartment.
from the same page:
PJ admitted a simulation of the scenario
The arrival of the dogs that detected cadaver odours and blood traces led the PJ to admit that some of the details where Maddie had been sleeping had been staged to sustain the abduction theory. One of the examples that were pointed out in one of the many reports that were written by the investigators was the fact that the soft toy was on the bed where Maddie slept, a bed that was partially undone. The animals detected odours on the child’s toy, but they did not mark her death on that spot. Which led the PJ to admit that Maddie had died in another area of the house, and then the toy was taken to the bed because it was the most likely spot in case of an abduction. Other details were analysed, like the fact that the furniture was too well positioned and the sofa was completely pushed against the wall.
Details
- Investigated leads – The final report is clear. All the leads were investigated, the abduction theory was verified into detail. But the investigation’s main conclusions pointed towards the death of the child in the apartment, on the 3rd of May.
- 300 policemen were looking for Madeleine McCann during the first days. The PJ stresses that many among them spent several weeks sleeping only a few hours.
- 2000 diligences were made by the Judiciária during their search for Madeleine. International cooperation was requested on several moments, to exclude several cases of false sightings.
- High costs – The PJ spared no costs throughout this investigation. Millions of euros were spent on the investigation into the disappearance, namely on the high payments that were made to the labs that collected the genetic profiles.
- Suspicions – Dave’s involvement is considered again
Parents refused technical help
Works with endangered children and approached the McCanns in the Algarve. Found the behaviour strange
Yvone, who earned credentials from the English government to work in situations that involve endangered children, was in the Algarve when Maddie disappeared but the McCanns refused her help. The specialist told the PJ, during two depositions that were made one month apart from each other, that she approached the couple after the first few hours and that the behaviour from both left her with suspicions about their involvement in the disappearance.
The behaviour of David Payne, who was accused by a couple of doctors that spent holidays with him in 2005, of having attitudes that indiciated paedophile practices, also left Yvone intrigued. The McCanns’ friend had called them aside and advised them not to speak to the technician.
Yvone found another detail strange. David’s face was not unfamiliar to her, and the technician believes he might have been inquired before, within some case of sexual abuse. She tried to remember when but failed to locate moment and the circumstances under which she had met him.
The days went by and Yvone continued to think about the issue. She then sent a letter to the English police, where she pointed out the details that she had perceived. Namely, that the bedroom window had not been forced open, that it was not normal for a couple of doctors to leave their children alone and that Kate had reacted in an aggressive manner when she had approached her. She also alerted to the official statistics, that point towards the majority of these cases to involve a cover-up from the families.
Gonçalo Amaral’s book upsets the English
A delegation from the British justice left for London yesterday after having tried, in Portimão, to keep some details of the process under secrecy.
The English, who according to what CM was able to establish, are upset about possible revelations that the book from the former coordinator of the PJ in Portimão may make, tried to request the instruction judge to maintain the secrecy on the forensics reports about the blood traces and cadaver odour that were collected from the apartment at the Ocean Club, but also other parts from the process.
As far as CM was able to establish, the pretentions from the English delegation were denied, except in the case of the identity of persons that have condemnations or a police record of paedophilia which reside in the Algarve or were spending holidays in the region when the facts took place.
The British that were in Portimão are policeman Stuart Prior, one of the senior liaison officers with the Portuguese police, a magistrate and a jurist from SOCA, the British agency that specializes in investigation organized crime.
It is not known whether the trip was made under a rogatory letter or politically negotiated between the governments of both countries.
“In defense of my good name”
The book by Gonçalo Amaral is written in defense of his honour. “I felt the need to reinstate my good name, which was publicly rubbished while the institution that I belonged to for 26 years, the Polícia Judiciária, didn’t allow me to defend myself, or did so institutionally”, Gonçalo Amaral states in a text that justifies the book. In order to carry out that defense, he requested permission from the national directory but never obtained it. The book, which will be presented by Marques Vidal, a former director of the Judiciária, is launched on the 24th of this month, during a session that is scheduled for El Corte Inglés, in Lisbon.
Loose notes:
Laboratory | Decisive test – The final report ended up being decisive for the foreseeable archiving of the process. In that document, which CM revealed, the possibility of DNA contamination was admitted.
Archived | AG announced – The day after tomorrow, the AG will release a communication that will most likely announce the archiving of the process. The case will remain pending in Portimão’s Public Ministry, waiting for better evidence.
Reconstitution | Stopped – The reconstitution of the evening of the disappearance was a diligence that was seen as essential in the process. It was stopped because some of the McCanns’ friends did not accept to return.
Wardrobe | Odour detected – The English dogs signaled traces of Maddie’s death behind the sofa and in the bedroom wardrobe. On the bed, the animals didn’t detect anything.
Contamination | Traces – The authorities have no doubts that the contamination of the location made the investigation more difficult. During the first few hours, tens of people entered the bedroom.
Removed | By phone – Gonçalo Amaral was the target of various attacks and was removed by Alípio Ribeiro, by phone, after making a statement to a newspaper.
Letter | Paedophile register – Yvone, in the letter that she sent to the English police, wanted the authorities to verify whether Dave had a register of paedophile activities.
source: Correio da Manhã 19.07.2008, paper edition
August 13th, 2008 at 9:29 am
This whole tragic mess is a mystery that no one seems to have the answer. The McCanns are at home and it seems that Maddie has been forgotten now. I could never have left that Place until I had some answers to all of this.This little girl has faded into oblivion as far as they seem to care, and it is very strange to me that she has been pushed on one side. Myself I have two daughters, now grown up but they never left my side at that age, and I certainly would not have left them in a strange Country at that age.,if they had been abducted. I only hope wherever she is that at least she is being cared for, and as regards anything else about her I dont want to think about that.
October 21st, 2008 at 8:48 am
I don’t think that they should have left their children alone, at all!!! Talk about negligence. I do believe that only they know what happened that night and that the truth will come out eventually. Madeleine should be able to lead a happy life. I pray that wherever she is, she is happy and well cared for…
November 3rd, 2008 at 8:43 am
This could be my daughter, your daughter, at the end of the day, all adults have a duty/responsibility of care towards all children from all walks of live, we are all universal parents. There is no doubt in my mind, body or spirit that little Madeline McCann has died. As an innocent and beautiful child she is now in the hands of her heavenly Mother and Father with all the angels of heaven as her friends, playmates and protectors, no more harm can come to her spirit now.
The only thing is that as a `Catholic` on earth, little Madeline is being denied a `Christian Burial,` the wrath of heaven and all that prevails therein will befall on the person or persons responsible for the harm that has befallen this child. I would not like to be in the shoes of the person or persons responsible for this act.
Also I would like to point out that no child should be left alone at any time, let alone night after night, so sadly, yes the parents are responsible for the outcome along with their friends that also left their children alone, especially a baby that had vomited, no parent would leave their sick child, especially a child that had been sick, the baby could have chocked on her vomit then we would have had two children that could have died.
March 1st, 2009 at 11:41 am
What to say? So much sorrow here, which could have been prevented by not leaving the children alone. Even intelligent, well-educated people can be naive and lacking in wisdom.
I don’t believe that the parents did anything to their daughter, yet I am not so sure about their friends. I wonder whose idea was it for the families to vacation together. Was it always the same friends vacationing together? Or is one of the participanting friends, other then Gerry & Kate, a common factor in the vacations? Were the vacations a set up to access certain children for abuse or perhaps a paid for abduction?????
One other thought, could she have wandered away and fallen into a small crevice such as a well. Children that age can fall into very tiny spaces and if left alone how would anyone know? Look at baby Jessica in the well all those years ago, and a few others. I even saw something about a tot being swept into an uncovered curb-side storm drain. Fortunately the mother saw it happen and the child was rescued. The mother couldn’t believe it happened because the slit in the curb was so narrow. Just a thought.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Hi Vi, A little late in answering but it was David Paynes idea, he arranged and booked the holiday..They had been to greece the year before the mccanns did not go with them this time…..Payne and Mccann are good friends….not sure about kate and fiona kate seems a loner…a spoilt only child that likes her own way…The Gaspars went on a holiday once with the Paynes and the Mccanns….she saw something that bothered her…..Mccann and Payne making suggestions toward maddie….when she heard maddie was missing she went to the police with her husband and made astatement…a statement that should have been given to PJ for them to check out,,,this was not done for only reasons known to the british police….to me this is a cover up not by the mccanns they are two nobodies…but two nobodies that know some big fish…..
August 19th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Vi says she could have wandered off and had an accident. This is true. Which makes it all the more bizarre that the McCanns discounted this possibility from the outset. “They’ve taken her,” cried Kate. The McCann party did not even search for Madeleine – all them going to bed and leaving the locals, hotel staff and police to search for her. The very fact that they insist she was abducted, rather than looking at any other possibility, only adds to the numerous questions being raised about what the truth is.
Site Admin: Since when did a victim tell the police what happened anyway? I mean, if you found your car was not where you parked it, this could mean it had been stolen but could also mean it was towed away for some reason. This is why, as you say, their version of what they considered to have happened makes no sense whatsoever. Kate says that the window was too high for Madeleine to have got out. This is sheer nonsense. There was a bed under the window and any child could climb out of that window by standing on the bed. As the window could only be opened from the inside, Kate’s conclusions are totally flawed.
August 27th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Quite shocking to read and I am also deeply concerned that Police don’t seem to be investigating the claims of paedophilia any further?? My own 8 year old daughter means the world to me, the thought of leaving her alone in a holiday apartment is beyond comprehension. We see so many examples of child neglect and abuse in the media, children left to fend for themselves living in filthy conditions with parents who laze around all day. The McCann’s neglect of their children was slightly less obvious, still I consider leaving three small children alone a neglect of parental responsibility. Had Kate & Gerry McCann lived on a council estate I have no doubt that Social Services would have been involved upon their return to the U.K. It would seem however that wealthy upper middle class doctors are immune from such an investigation; on the grounds that they are indeed wealthy upper middle class doctors and therefore entirely responsible and devout parents on those grounds alone.
Site Admin: The thing is that we don’t believe for one minute that it is proven 100% that the children were left alone. See, the abduction story relies on this fact for it to have ever happened at all. If the parents were with the children at all times, the abduction story could NEVER have happened. To concoct the abduction story we believe that they invented this whole “checking every 30 minutes” story so they could then have that small window of opportunity for the abductor to have done his dirty deed. Take away the story about leaving the children and abduction could never occur. Their alibis are shot full of holes whichever way you want to look at it. Gerry claimed on May 4 in the police interview that he returned to 5A through the front door with a key. Later he said the patio doors were unlocked because you can’t lock them from the outside. Clearly he forgot this important aspect in his original alibi and to cover his tracks the witness statements started to “evolve”. Initially we had jemmied shutters and the bedroom was “broken in to”. This changed to “the abductor must have already been hiding in the apartment”.
Their alibis should all be prefixed “Once upon a time…” They are certainly more like fairy stories than anything credible to describe what really happened.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:48 am
Whilst I see site admin’s point, I simply think it is less complicated than that. There are accounts that the children were left several nights running and the neighbour heard crying on the 1st May. For this reason I think by the time the 3rd May came around they were feeling guilty beforehand about leaving them, but they still went ahead for reasons only they can explain. I think then the worst-case scenario happened. Madeleine as a bright, clever, outgoing little girl, would, I think, be fighting sleep and would not want to go to bed at the same time as the twins. She would want to carry on having fun. After all the kids club have mini discos at night before the adult entertainment starts. She would be desperate to join in. I think this is why she cried the previous night. She was feeling pushed out. I think she played up to such an extent that eventually something like Calpol was administered to calm her down. Then, drowsy, she either tried to get up and fell on the hard tiled floor, or she simply fell out of bed. I think then the panic would be that they knew they were doing wrong beforehand and taking a risk and admitted even talking about upping their checks in view of Madeline crying the previous night. They are then faced with something dreadful happening to Madeline, so first thoughts would be we know we have done wrong, what about the twins, what will everyone say, what will our own parents think, what about work colleagues and our patients, what would they think, we have to make this someone else’s fault. After all, even though they left their children, if they can convince it’s an abduction, then its someone else’s fault! Then having convinced their family and friends that they are really good parents and its the fault of the ‘abductor’ their promise to keep searching for Madeline has to continue, after all what would family and friends think if they then sat back and did nothing at all. So, the lie has to continue. However, they dug a deep hole to start with here and its getting deeper with each ‘faux’ suspect.
Site Admin: Your points are equally plausible Lyndsey. Today I received word from an investigator working with the police in Portugal that it was suggested that the McCanns brought the A4 sized prints of Madeleine with them on holiday so when they appeared on the morning of May 4 it was all premeditated. I think what annoys most of us wanting the truth is that the McCanns have simply avoided being cross-examined. In a normal criminal case, the prime suspects would not be running the show like they are. The mere fact that they were allowed to not answer questions and then flee Portugal within 24 hours rather sums up the uncooperative McCanns and Tapas friends. If it wasn’t so serious it would resemble a pantomime script.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:08 am
Great news to hear you are in touch with investigators in Portugal. I am pleased there are people over there who are still actively looking into this case. I have always wondered how the photos were printed and submitted to the press as quickly as they were. I always felt that it was premeditated to leave the children and not spur of the moment and going back to the question of paedophile behaviours, it is always possible that whilst the ‘checks’ were taking place when the children were ‘asleep’ that Madeleine was abused by one of her ‘protectors’ then. We only have their word that they did nothing more than look into the room and they have all got their heads together on the timeline of checking. Also, I feel Kate McCann lacks maternal instinct and wonder about her real reasons for wanting the children in the first place. Her career seemed all important and, from what I read, even when she was not working the children would be placed in nursery.
September 3rd, 2009 at 10:16 am
they say there is know smoke….without FIRE? this case is about to ignite into an inferno as the world is beginning to realise little madeleine is know longer ALIVE? and people close to her are not telling the TRUTH? …PRAY,PRAY,PRAY, …LET GO…LET GOD
September 5th, 2009 at 9:11 am
I have been reading on another site TheSergeantsInn about the Devon connection between the two English doctors who suspect David Payne and what appears to be a bit of an inconsistenty in their statements about the dates of their meetings with the McCanns. I would like your opinion on this. Do you think there is something else behind their statements? Do you think its possible they are trying to deliberately avert attention away from the McCanns and on to David Payne on purpose. I was thinking they are/were good friends to the McCanns but not to David Payne. Having said that, they mention Gerry as well, but definately they single out David Payne with Gerry just going along with his ‘joke’. I’m sure that is how Gerry would wish to explain his behaviour. I wonder if this is all done on purpose to explain away this behaviour just in case somebody else ‘on the outside’ may have seen it. In particular I was thinking this behaviour was also supposed to have taken place in a restaurant on another occasion. It seems to be similar to the way the McCanns tried to explain themselves Madeline questioning them about leaving her crying, a sort of red herring with them trying to justify by saying ‘ the abductor’ tried the previous night and woke up Madeline. I am thinking if eventually Madeleine is found (dead) and the case is rescurrected and it was proven something happened to her in the apartment, the McCann’s have a ready made excuse up their sleeve to point the finger at another of their party. I think they are so desperate for this not to be ‘their fault’ they would stoop to anything. I just can’t decide if the Gaspars are really on the side of the McCanns or not.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
If this statement made to the police was not followed up it just goes to show what Mcs and some friends in May 2007 were about. Very serious allegations made by two probably former friends. Little Madeleine could have had a very bad life! If she did pass on, it would have been at the hands of these monsters.
October 26th, 2009 at 6:33 am
the case of little maddie mcann will bring down people in very high places ? who are now trembling as the truth ? is coming out , as i said before these people are ordinary people with high authority in goverment churches etc , i pray daily for the almighty hand of god to act NOW? WATCH THIS SPACE?
October 29th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
I have my own theory. Gerry is a friend of Gordon Brown. When Gordon Brown knew the McCanns were going to Portugal, GB told Gerry to be carefull about the troubles in Portugal regarding child abduction by paedophiles. Even tough they new about the risks, the McCanns decided to go anyway. For the photo Gerry had in his pocket, there is nothing weird about that. I myself have my kids’ photos in my purse. During their vacation Kate and Gerry have received a lot of phone calls, which where deleted after Madeleine went missing. Maybe someone what trying to warn them about the risk. Maybe that was a case of a missing child not to far from where they were or maybe a tentative was reported. What if they were not checking of the kids ? Maybe Kate felt guilty and went to check on the kids. When she realized that Madeleine was missing, she went in a panic state and told every they should say that the were doing rounds to check the kids, otherwise, they would lose the twins to the Child Protecting Services. They took a pen a wrote down a list of the “rounds” made to check the kids to give to the police. They thought whey would lose the kids for sure if the PJ new they were not checking the kids. As for the smell of cadavers on clothes, Kate and Gerry worked in an hospital, so it possible that they had the smell on their clothes, which were maybe worn once at their job. Also, I think Madeleine went to see her mother or father at the hospital and got the smelle of cadavers on her cuttle cat and clothes too. Or maybe rat, a dog or a cat died a few weeks before they came to Portugal. That smell could have been there way before they came to Portugal. As for the blood, they later admitted that the sample may have been contaminated and that’s why the second expertise confirmed that they were no sample matching Madeleine 100% for sure.
As for David Payne, his behaviour is not normal but I don’t think he has something to do with it.
I think Madeleine was taken by a peadophile organisation in Portugal to be sold to a whealthy client for all kinds of reasons. Since the ring is well-know in Portugal and probably lead by a well-know politician or high profile indivudual, I think the PJ did everything they could to frame the McCanns, just to cover their tracks and make everybody think Madeleine was dead, so that nobody would continue looking for her.
I think Madeleine was seen in Morocco and Belgium. The photo of that little on her mother’s back is not bouchra. I think that was staged to make sure nobody would think it was Madeleine. The same for the Brussels little girl. Look at the woman in black with her in Belgium, it is the same woman with her in Morocco. Also, the shop worker who spoke to a little girl name Maddy, Ms Anna Stam. I think she has in deed spoke to Madeleine. There is nothin on the web that suggest that Anna Stam was paid to give a false testimony or was looking for fame. This woman told the truth about who she has spoken to and what she had seen that day.
Madeleine is somewhere. Dead or Alive ? That deppend on with whom she is with and for what purposes. If she was sold to peadophiles, her chance of being alive are slim, but possible if they did not abused her yet. If she was sold to a wealthy family, she has great chance to be alive.
That little girl in Sweden looks a bit like Madeleine. And the fact that the man and the woman who were with her and which refused to be photographed seems a little bit odd !
The bottom line is I hope Madeleine will be found soon dead or alive so that this whole circus will finally end.
November 2nd, 2009 at 11:19 am
Liberty.
Gordon Brown advising Gerald McCann on paedophiles in Portugal? I think your imagination goes a little bit to far. Take a hike… Besides all what you write is absolute crap. Take some time to read the official files as you seem to be so ignorant.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:19 pm
the police net in the uk seems to catching some big fish in the PERVERT WORLD ? some big fish in the BBC are about to be exposed along with some goverment MPS VERY SOON ACCORDING TO THE MEDIA ? PEADOPHILES ARE NOW CERTAIN TO BE CAUGHT MORE SO IF THEY OWN A PC it is only a matter of time for little maddies GUILTY TO BE FOUND?
November 5th, 2009 at 1:25 am
Someone suggested in an entry prior to this one that perhaps Madeleine’s parents gave her a drug to so she would sleep while they were gone and that she perhaps fell and fatally injured herself if she tried to get up and walk around in that condition? Sounds plausible. Also, I don’t think cadaver dogs make many mistakes when it comes to differentiating between human scent or an animal, as another writer suggested above, stating that perhaps an animal had previous died in that room. It sounds like one way or another, there was a fatal accident and a cover up. I hope I’m wrong. I don’t know much about child abduction rings in that part of the world: could she have been taken into a prostitution/slavery ring? Probably not — I have confidence in the cadaver dogs. I fear the worst.
November 7th, 2009 at 10:21 am
I have just found this forum and have registered, but I thought I would add this note. I will add it to the forum as soon as I am able to logon. I have checked through the site and can find no mention of this video .
There is a Portugese video on youtube, named :The Truth of the Lie English Narration 1,2,3,4,5,6.
It has been, to say the least poorly overdubbed in English. The narrator speaks in real time directly over the Detective Gonçalo Amarals’ voice. I downloaded the six videos and burnt them to DVD.
I followed this case avidly during the few months that it ran via the Government controlled News Media (GNM)and was frustrated by the lack of factual evidence. This video is, as they say from the horses mouth and is quite enlightening vis a vis that facts are given that differ so from the afore mentioned GNM.
There is also a script which I downloaded and after reading came to the conclusion that the Detective was of the opinion that the abduction theory stood or fell on one premis. That premis being that J.Tanners’ original first told story was that Mccann and the TV producer were standing outside Mccanns’ apartment ( side entrance )when she went to check the children. The fact was that the two were there, yet both men deny she passed them makes a mockery of her story. If she lied then the abduction theory fails.
In the video the two are standing outside the apartment and she passes them but does not speak to them, neither do the two men aknowledge her.
Not to be construed as a moan: I found when watching the DVD that I had to concentrate on the English over dubbing voice.( slight hearing prob). I was unable to watch and listen a lot of the time because of the two voices. My wife didn’t have this prob.
November 26th, 2009 at 5:48 am
Liberty
Is either teammcspamm or a mental,or both
November 26th, 2009 at 7:55 am
MADELEINEFOUNDATION.ORG.UK NOW UP ?….AND RUNNING ….MCANN CASE NOW GETTING SOME UK MEDIA ATTENTION ….REGARDING WHAT REALY HAPPENED….MADELEINE R.I.P. LITTLE ANGEL
December 11th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Everybody assumes Maddy went to Portugal. Has it been verified she went through the airports, or did a similar looking girl belonging to one of the Tapas 9 families take her identity and play the part of Maddie(unwittingly)? What better way to move the crime scene hundreds of miles and a new country away from good old England = NO DNA, NO BODY, NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE; Just a number of fictitious sightings to further cover the truth. Who declared the girl missing; Why weren’t the other 2 children taken. Am I close in my thoughts??
December 12th, 2009 at 12:20 am
Could this account for the non show of photos of Madeleine in Portugal, except, of course the cropped one near the poolside. There seem to be no clear photos available.
June 9th, 2010 at 6:35 am
i think that the parents should of never left their kidz alone it is wrong and i just hope that she is out there having a happy life without them. there parents r such dicks i cnt belive tht they left her alone they shld of neva done tht she is such a little angel and she doesnt desurve it she is soo pretty and she should of had better parents and shld of never been treated like that xx i think her parents should get a life xx
August 3rd, 2010 at 7:32 am
I THINK THAT IS WHY GERRY AND KATE WAS SO SCARED TO GO ON THIS HOLIDAY. THEY WENT ON HOLIDAY WITH ALL THESE FRIENDS BEFORE AND MAYBE DAVID PAYNE DID SOMETHING TO MADELEINE ON A PREVIOUS VACATION. WAS DAVID NOT THE ONE THAT CHECKED ON THE CHILDREN BEFORE IT WAS KATE`S TURN ? I THINK MAYBE HE DI SOMETHING TO MADELEINE AND HE HID HER BODY BEFORE KATE WENT IN, HE KNOS !!!!!!!!!!!
October 16th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
I was wondering could the abducter have killed Madeleine in the room (accidentally or on purpose) hidden her in the closet (where the cadaver smell was) then taken her body away?
It seems the cadaver evidence is used to prove she died in the apartment and therefore was not abducted but maybe the two are not mutually exclusive – what if she died in a struggle with the abductor who then dithered about what to do and hid himself and the body while gerry checked the kids then took the body away for fear his evidence would be on the body, this would also explain why Jane Tanner saw the child in a floppy position over the mans arms.
Just a thought??
March 17th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
i think that what has happened is any parents worst nightmare and if anybody knows anything or can help the police or authorities in anyway, should if they have any shred of decency or have any morals should make it known. when such a terrible thing happens anybody either criminal or other should put their scruples asside and help in anyway possible. hopefully this will prick somebodies conscience or outrage them enough to put any criminal past asside and DO THE RIGHT AND DECENT THING.
April 5th, 2011 at 6:29 am
I have written to Kate and Gerry McCann three times to inform them of some tape recorded material that I know the Metropolitan police in London have pertaining to the abduction/murder of their daughter. The Met police are trying to keep this material concealed for their own selfish reasons. I have also given this info to the PJ, DI Mick Graham of Leicestershire police, The Leicester mercury and Mrs Justice Hogg at the High court. I recently wrote to the Met police asking for a copy of the tape using the FOI Act, their response was that they can not give it to me because to do so would breach other people’s rights under the Data protection Act. Why do the McCanns keep ignoring this vital piece of evidence ? Why don’t they go to the High Court and ask for an injunction to be served on the Met police as I have suggested they do ? Do the McCanns know something they are not telling us ?
May 2nd, 2011 at 11:12 am
I have a daughter and from the first time I saw Kate McCann on the television I thought she was insincere and in no way acted like a woman who had lost a child. As a mother, if you lose sight of a child that age for even a few seconds the feeling is overwhelmimg, let alone the feeling that would ‘genuinely’ arise if you suspected your child had been abducted by a paedophile ring! Also, no ‘normal’ father would allow a man (Dave) to make sexual gestures towards his infant daughter. What is to say the McCanns/Paynes are not involved in a paedophile ring themselves?? And that the disappearance of poor Maddie was a cover up to hide the abuse performed upon her that night?? I fear for the children left in these families- It is exactly as someone posted a few years back. If the McCanns had been working class they would not have got away with it
May 12th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Well with her dad being a doctor, could have medicated her with alittle to much medicine to make her sleep, and caused her to quit breathing. Come on you don’t leave your Children alone and have get up every 30 min to check on your baby, Every parent knows that alot can happen to a child in 30 min. For example what if they woke the twins up by going in and out and the. Baby cried for 30 min, poor girl. Stupid selfish parents . And yeah the father looked guilty. Fuck the ppl that say everyone reacts different.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
These comments on here have started to verge on insane and that dosen’t really help anyone especially madeleine, No matter which side you look at this story from, things do not add up. I’m of the belief that the mccanns know more than they are letting on. but staying in a complex like that, going missing for a while and burying the body so expertly and so well seems quite a task, and if they wanted this to go away the recent book launch and re-opening the investiagation wouldn’t be a good idea.
Yet the other side says the things the mcanns say do not add up, the lack of acceptance of the child care offered was strange, plus while they should have been looking for her they were too busy doing interviews, going to see the pope and a white house visit.
I don’t subscribe to the theory that the lack of emotion is a clear sign she is a bad mother or even guilty, that kind of shock and grief is something non of us have ever experienced and something that affects people very differently. she could ne numb or in denial.
Having said that, i’ve seen interviews they have done while one moment they are full of grief the next swinging on a chair and laughing (youtube video).
In 2007, i find it very hard for anyone especially a little girl to go missing and stay lost for 4 years, at one point her poster was everywhere, she has no travel documents….
All in all, no matter what side you look at it, things don’t add up and there is something much more sinister here and if the truth of this is being hidden like many suggest, then we might as well say goodbye to truth forever.
May 22nd, 2011 at 4:43 pm
I remember watching a breakfast tv program 04/05/2007 and they received a phone call from one of Maddie’s grandparents, pleading for assistance.
I have tried to google this and can find no mention of it anywhere. Did I imagine this phone call?
I remember at the time thinking it was a very strange thing to do. This woman said that the window of the apartment had been broken and someone had abducted the child. Does anyone else remember this phone call?
June 8th, 2011 at 5:43 am
What the McCanns done while on Holiday is unforgivable, the thought of when that little girl woke up with strangers and what possibly followed makes me cold. We can all speculate, will the truth ever come out. Gerry and Kate will have to carry their guilt to the grave with them. My only thoughts are of how scared that little girl must of been that night.
June 17th, 2011 at 10:09 am
I have followed this blog and the comments on it for a long time now, and the longer the time that passes, the less i understand,,,meaning in terms of the totally illogical manner of behavior of the McCanns. Trying to come up with some sort of theories as to what really happened gets harder by the day, a fact that in my mind stands for that there really is something MEGA suspicious about the whole incident, and really speaking, then no s.c “far-fetched” theory is too far fetched, truth is stranger then fiction always. As far as an accidental death goes, again, i can only go by my own logic as a parent. When my daughter (now an adult) was 2 plus yrs old, i was on holiday in Spain with her. One morning i was in the kitchen making breakfast for us and my daughter running about like any toddler will. Without further notice or time for me to react, she got up on the chair and stepped on the edge of it, the chair being light it somehow flipped over and my daughter fell on the floor and hit her head real hard. Within seconds it was clear to me when picking her up quick as a flash that she had a concussion and went blue in the face and stopped breathing. The panic reaction i got was RUSHING out the door and yell as loud as voice would come out of me for someone to call an ambulance QUICKLY! I yelled and yelled until i think even the neighborhood complex was alerted and there was hundreds of people running around me and someone who was a nurse among them started giving my daughter mouth to mouth, and eventually an ambulance arrived and we were taken to the nearest hospital. Fortunately everything turned out fine and my daughter is a healthy successful person today, still, all throughout since Madeleines disapearence i have not stopped thinking about that event in my own life and knowing what kind of reaction is a s.c -normal- one in circumstances of an unfortunate accident happening to your child. Admittedly i am not a doctor, and obviously would i have been, maybe my first reaction would have been different having the skills to know what to do in such a situation. Even so, IF it was an accident that occurred and Madeleine died as a result, it doesn’t matter what your profession, any normal parents reaction upon discovering that your child is dead as a result of such an accident CANNOT be more then of absolute despair and screaming out for help and becoming absolutely hysterical. I can only go by based on what happened to my daughter. Therefore, for me personally, whatever happened, i do NOT believe an accidental death was the cause for Madeleine not being -here and now, among us all. And therefore also, whatever it was that happened, truth then truly becomes stranger then fiction.
Site Admin: You are absolutely right. There is no logical explanation to this case. Nobody in their right mind would travel abroad and knowingly leave their apartment doors open every night – whether there were children in there or not. Seasoned European travelers know that petty crime is always a possibility and therefore you’d usually bolster your security with an in-room safe. The LAST thing you would do is deliberately leave the apartment unlocked with your valuables inside.
This is why the whole checking on the children every 20 mins scenario sounds like a work of fiction. Rachel Oldfield mentioned resuscitation in the video “Professional Liar” and for a child that was supposedly abducted, why on earth would she use that term unless Madeleine had to be resuscitated?
Any normal, caring parent facing an accident with a child would be on auto-pilot to do the right thing. Doctors are not allowed to treat their own children in the capacity of a doctor because it violates their code of ethics. This is another reason why an accident – if one occurred at all – cannot have been a “normal” accident that most people would recognize as such.
Here at Truth for Madeleine we have no reason to not believe the words of an ex police officer in Portugal when he told us that they believe Madeleine died as a result of sexual activity – most likely suffocation.
Even sedation would not be such a big deal if that was the reason for death. The rationale behind that is that they could probably have explained it away as Madeleine got hold of some sleeping tablets. That would be a tragic situation but it is not beyond the realm of a conventional accident.
If Madeleine died as the result of paedophilia, the body could not be handed over to the authorities for obvious reasons.
July 20th, 2011 at 8:42 am
Site admin, Just want to say thanks. Thanks for still being active on this case, and for obviously CARING. Too many people seem to have opinions on guilt etc, but few people actually want to find out what happened, FOR MADELEINE’S SAKE. God bless her. Good work, and please God the truth will out.
July 25th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Before I read the book, I did believe that Kate and Gerry McCann had something to do with Madeleine’s disappearance but reading their book “Madeleine; Our daughter’s disappearance and the continuing search for her” changed that. Kate and Gerry went through two lots of IVF in order to have Madeleine so she was very special to them, why would they want to lose her after all that? Also, the media portrays that Gerry and Kate left Madeleine, Sean and Amelie asleep in the apartment while they went out for dinner. While this is true, they did not leave the resort and the restaurant was only a thirty-five to forty second walk from their apartment 5A. Although there was a creche available while they dined, I completely understand their decision to leave their children in their room so they could sleep. I don’t know why they didnt us the babysitting service but they did ask staff to listen at the door every now and then as well as comng back to check on the children every thirty minutes. The reason that Kate stayed in the apartment for a few minutes before callingfor help after discovering Madeleine was not on her bed was because she was looking for her, checking she wasn’t in the bathroom or that she hadn’t gone and gotten into her parents bed. This whole situation should have been okay, especially as Gerry and Kate’s friends also left their children alone in their apartments and I’m sure that Gerry and Kate would go back and do things differently if they could, for their sake and fof Madeleine’s. I think that the two sightings, one of them by Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns’ of a man carrying a sleeping child was definietely Madeleine and her abductor. Madeleine Beth McCann was such a beautiful little girl and although I do not know her, I know that she was and will always be loved, by me, her family and friends and everyone else around her. Lets hope she is found! X
Site Admin: How do you know that everything the McCanns have said is true? What has IVF got to do with it? Most people who have children wanted to have children in the first place and that is why humans procreate. The desire to want and to love your child does not preclude moments of madness or criminal activity where a child is killed. You say you understand their decision to leave their children in their room. It is normal in Europe to take your children out to dinner with you because the Mediterranean and southern European countries do not frown upon children being out with their parents late at night. Other parents took their children to the Tapas restaurant so why didn’t the McCanns and their friends? Jez Wilkins took his own kid out in the pushchair after 9pm – as evidenced by his encounter with Gerry McCann. Sorry, but the only thing to be found is the location of the corpse.
July 26th, 2011 at 4:42 am
I have studied this case in great detail and have watched most of the McCann interviews after Madeleine’s disappearance. I have come to the same conclusion as mentioned by the site Administrator in his response to Ellens post 17th June. I had done so before I read this post. It is my belief that Gerry McCann and David Payne are paedophiles and that it was premeditated before the holiday that David Payne (and possibly other’s) would have sexual access to Madeleine. I also believe that Kate McCann is either also involved with this group or that she is Gerry’s enabler. There is a very strong possibililty that all of the friends that went on that holiday are into paedophilia, which is why there is such a tight bond and cover up within the group as to what happened to Madeleine that night. I believe that Madeleine died as a result of suffucation due to a sexual act being performed on her, most likely by David Payne when he went to the McCann’s apartment whilst Gerry played tennis. This was something that I have no doubt was re-arranged. There is much inconsisteny in the timeline of those events by both Payne and Kate McCann. David Paynes says thathe was in the room for 30 minutes and Kate McCann said that it was 30 seconds.I think that Madeleine was probably drugged beforehand so that she would be more pliable. If she had of died as a result of just being overdosed then I do not believe that the group would have gone to such extremes to hide her body and conceal the fact. They did so because they are all guilty in some way as to having the knowledge of a shocking unatural act being done to poor Madeleine. I have seen Gerry McCann talk about Madeleine in a very strange way in some of his interviews. In one interview in particular, he said “that the last time he came to check on Maddie that night, he lingered at the door staring at her, thinking how beautiful she was”. Then of course there are the statements from Dr Katarina Gaspar and her husband about the sexualised behaviour that they had witnessed between Gerry McCann and David Payne on a previous holiday that they had been on with them both. Dr Gaspar is a good friend of Gerry McCanns and would have no reason to make this up. She only came forward with her husband and made the statement after Madeleine’s disappearance. I believe that this was never followed up by police because of the involvement of high up police, and more importantly politicians in paedophile rings. There was a peadophile ring busted not all that long ago that had doctor’s in it. The ring covered both the U.K. and the U.S.A. The other theory that Madeleine died as a result of being overdosed is possible and I do not completely discount it, by unfortunately my gut tells me that her death was due to something far more incidious.
Site Admin: Everything you say makes perfect sense. The Portuguese police also tested the bedcover by the window and found traces of semen. The bedcover was subsequently tested by the British FSS and they said it was saliva. Who should we believe? The FSS who destroyed the evidence after testing or the Portuguese police who tested it before handing it to the British lab? Payne talked about Madeleine in the past tense numerous times in his rogatory interview in April 2008. Yvonne Martin recognized Payne on the morning of May 4 as being someone she remembered in some kind of investigation in the UK. Payne and Kate Healy weren’t even singing from the same song sheet. The sick irony is that Payne changed his medical specialization…he is now a Urologist!
July 26th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Well said. Friends in high places have the Mcs and gang. One slip of the tongue from any one of the group would involve a lot of well known people. It will all come out one day and hope that day is soon.
July 26th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
To Site Admin.
That is interesting what you said about the Portugese police finding evidence of semen on the bedcover by the window. I was not aware of that and it only strengthens my theory as to what likely happened that night. Something that I forgot to put in my previous post that I found very strange. Dr Gaspar mentioned in her statement to police re her suspicions about the behaviour she witnessed between Gerry McCann and David Payne, that all of the men were in charge of bathing the kid’s on the holiday that they were on that year. That strikes me as odd. It was obviously something that was pre-arranged. Unfortunately I know from personal experience that paedophiles plan everything in great detail. Every move that they make is pre-planned and premediated. Who initiated this bathing by the men I wonder? Did they bathe the other couples children as well as their own?
Yes, unfortunately there are many people in very high places involved in paedophile rings. The McCann’s have lots of support from people in high places. I doubt that this new investigation by Scotland Yard will be a real investigation. Every bit of vital evidence in this case has been quashed by the powers to be in the U.K. Authors do not even have free speech in writing about the strong possibility that Madeleine is dead. The power that the McCann’s wield is frightening. I fear that justice for Madeleine will never be done unless one of the Tapas 9 cracks. And I cannot see that happening any time soon…
July 27th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
..I wasn’t aware of the bedcover testing at all. Thank you for that info, simply because it enlightens further my basic suspicions. The fact that the Portuguese authorities tested it to be semen and the Brits saliva, EVEN further sheds light onto that the s.c investigation is at hands of unknown sources to all of us. I would ASSUME, living in this day and age, that results from different labs cannot come out that significantly different, it speaks volumes of some sort of cover-up, as so many other hundreds of things in connection with Madeleines disappearance.
if there was any sort of -genuity- to the bond of friendship between the whole tapas group, then WHY does such “friends” NOT PUBLICLY SUPPORT their friends in the -continuous search- for Madeleine that the McCanns claim to be doing? Where are they all gone? Why are they so quiet? Because someone put a “lid” on them…or by their own free will?
Can anyone of you imagine having spent a night with your friends somewhere where their kid has gone missing, NOT giving continuous public support to those friends? First of all simply due to the very fact that you ARE friends as you have claimed to be…and secondly, if you KNOW yourselves to be innocent as well as trusting your friends to be so…then, what kind of “friendship” is it to not officially stand by your FRIENDS and keep confirming what they say, and re-affirming the events of the night it -all happened? Does the McCanns ever even mention their “friends” anymore? (apart from Kates book) And if not, WHY not? I mean, -come on…if you have LOST your child …GENUINLY lost your child (in a fictional assuming they are not in any way guilty)…WHY would your friends take a backstage for years to come, and how could the McCanns POSSIBLY consider their friends integrity to such degree as to not DEMAND them to help them out in public as well? Would YOU not do it for your FRIENDS? I know I would!! At the end of the day, its a question about a human LIFE, A childs LIFE..Your FRIENDS childs life..a child you know..and supposedly had some sort of humane and natural feelings for, it being your FRIENDS child.
July 27th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
Just because a couple have IVF treatment to enable a family doesn’t necessarily mean they feel the child is special. In the MCcs case it does seem that children were “handbags” anyway, or the parents would have protected the kids and not left them alone. Other people who leave kids alone under certain ages get charged…why not the McCanns?
July 27th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Could someone please tell me, I read somewhere that Gerry MCCann was reading a police manual along with 3 other books whilst he was on that fateful holiday in Portugal. One was a book by Lance Armstrong and the other 2 were non-fiction crime books relating to killing someone. I cannot remember what website I saw this on or the name of the books. Can someone help me?
July 28th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Kate the book he was reading was the interpretation of murder..
July 28th, 2011 at 11:09 am
I have not really followed Madeline’s case I only know that when ever I hear her name I say a little prayer for her and hope that she is found safe. I have little girls myself and would never ever in my life time allow a male not their father to give them a bath. That’s just sick and if they had to go to a daycare and I ever found that men gave the girls baths I would report it to the police. I never knew the parents left the little girl and her siblings alone in their room and went for dinner and then alerted everyone possible that they were alone in the room, were they on drugs or what. It could have been anyone who took her, from the hotel staff to the friends who were also on baby watch. They are all a bunch of irresponsible parents and why did social services not take the other kids from them. I am so angry now that I was ever feeling sorry for the parents and thinking what they must be going through. They should never have had children in the first place. The police should round-up the whole party that waas on that trip and give them a good grilling. Especially that David of a person.
September 13th, 2011 at 10:01 am
The case is still open, so many years later. The case was important enough for the judiciary to order that all the participants in this farce be ordered to answer questions on pain of imprisonment.
For a whole group to have the “pact of silence” that they openly admitted to is weird in any situation, but in the case of a missing child, is so bizarre as to be deeply suspicious. Only a gang of criminals would agree to such a vow of silence.
Until I read this, I had personally concluded that the most likely truth was that the child was accidentally either overdosed, perhaps due to both parents giving the child sleeping drugs without the knowledge of the other, or due to accidental dropping or overpunishment (Kate has a vicious temper, that is clear). However, the idea that she could have drowned in semen or choked on otherwise been suffocated due to weird sexual activity hadn’t even occurred to me, but now seems a far more obvious and likely addition to the options. Why else would there be such a pact of silence? Why else would they openly admit that they are not prepared to talk openly? Why else would they suggest she had been abducted by a paedophile, which isn’t an obvious first thought when a child goes missing.
As a father, I’ve lost a child in a shop for a few seconds and even that is unnerving. When, three years ago, my daughter went missing at 11 with her bicycle, after telephoning and saying that she was less than half a mile away, then her telephone went off and she didn’t return, I was searching within half an hour, and had the neighbours and police searching within an hour. It turned out that her phone battery had died and that she had seen and visited a schoolfriend we didn’t previously know. Had we not found her, I would have expected EVERYONE to have given a full account later to police and certainly for there to have been no secrets about our actions.
Why didn’t they search? The only possible explanation for any parent is that they knew where she was. As doctors, they were used to death and seeing dead people; they wouldn’t have been fazed by that. As doctors, and ones hardened as they so obviously are, they would have shrugged and immeditately worked out a cover-up plan. Kate’s sorrow and sadness may have been partly genuine, although it didn’t look like it; her (and their) behaviour in not searching, in the entire over-done search and protests-too-much all show their guilt in my view.
The priests in the church can’t tell what they know, but was their eventual rejection from the local Catholic church an indication that they had overdone it?
Of course, once they started the publicity, they couldn’t have stopped.
Yes, the more I think about it, the more certain I am of the McCann’s guilt, and having read this site in detail, I’m considering new options of method of death, although remain completely certain of the parents’ guilt in the process of death. Semen on the child’s bed says a great deal; it’s a shame we don’t know whose semen it was.
One final question that baffles me, why weren’t they prosecuted in this country for child abandonment or some similar offence. The parent who was recently prosecuted for going abroad and leaving a four year old in the care of a sixteen year old was a positively perfect parent by comparison to the appalling and admitted behaviour of the McCanns.
David.
October 2nd, 2011 at 8:14 am
where did you read about the semen on the childs bed David ?
Site Admin: The bed under the window in the children’s room was tested positive for semen using Acid Phosphatase – a standard test for semen. Read about it here: http://www.semenonpanties.com/
The documentation for this test is in the Portuguese Police File. Copies are circulating on the Internet.
November 23rd, 2011 at 9:46 am
Those so-called parents are guilty as hell. Hope they find the girl’s body and give her a proper burial.
November 25th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Although I have not wrote on this site since Nov.2008, I have still been watching and reading about little Madeline. There is not a day goes by that I do not think about her and send prayers out for her. There is no doubt in my heart and soul that I do not know that this little child id dead.
Way back when this happened, there was a photo in one of the newspapers showing a photo of the MaCanns and friends around a dinner table, their names of who was who was wrote underneath, the faces you could see apart from Gerry MaCann looked frightened and Guilty, Kate MaCann was caught looking at Gerry with a look of pure fright on her face, he appeared oblivious of anything going on, a smile on his face and his eyes did not give out what Kates and friends were.
I wish now on reflextion I had kept that paper at the time as it spoke volumes, does anyone recall seeing this newspaper photo? please let me know and if there is a copy could it be placed on here or sent to me.
Something else I have been reflecting on is the Cavidiar dogs, are the police/authoritys saying these dogs will no longer be used in police work to identify if a dead body has been there, because if they are not, then they cannot bend the rules for the MaCanns.
Another question I have is when one goes on holiday they do not take their working clothes with them especially a Dr. or other Professional, the working classes may as they would possibly struggle to pay for a holiday and have spend, if they did manage to buy clothes as well it may be very few, I, as one of these people, know that as a fact, sorry the likes of Kate and Gerry MaCann would not do that, plus Kate MaCann was to my knowledge was a GP and the only time they might come in touch with a dead body is to certify death, if someone at home died and you phoned the surgery saying someone had died and the GP did come out they would only check the pulse and sign a death certificate, I doubt Kate MaCann had been wearing jeans and signing a death certificate just before she went on holiday, plus I have never known a female GP wear jeans to surgery.
Why was her statement not checked out at this end when she stated that the smell was there because she comes across dead bodies in her work, there would be a log of it somewhere, I for one would like to see this log and believe under the right of information act, I have a legal right to this information.
The old saying still stands – Dr. have a licence to murder as they can bury the evidence.
I do believe Kate knows what has happened to her daughter Maddie and had help from some of her friends to hide her body whilst they planned on how to dispose of her, I do not believe at the time of that meal that Gerry knew about Maddies death, I do believe they planned what they were going to do and say and once Gerry knew, it was he that took control as Kate more that likely went to pieces buy this time.
I do believe it when it was said that Gerry MaCann said if you know anybody that knows anybody phone them now, I cannot recall where I heard this, can anyone else recall this statement.
I do believe that our Government was called on for help in disposing of Maddie and I feel that at first she may have been hidden in the church or church grounds, either way the priest from the church should examine his own self and come clean, askinf if need be, disposition from the Pope to tell the truth, after all did Jesus himself not say “Suffer unto me little children”, we have a right to protect our children alive or dead.
I believe some form of boat or yacht came into some cove, bay or beach there and Mddie was moved to it in the car that the MaCanns hired, where the dogs smelt a dead body, I believe that the body little maddie has been dumped at sea,
I have seen photo`s of Kate and Gerry MaCann this week and they are haunted, Kate looks frightened and guilty and haunted, this is understandable on many levels, Gerry looks hard and haunted. They will carry this with them until the day they die. I can never pretend or understand what fully happened, I do know she died in that apartment and Kate knows how and so does Gerry now. They cannot allow the pretence to fall no matter how many people suffer, they had to much to loose and a looser Gerry McCann does not like to be, even if someone dies and he has to lie. I look at them as a couple and feel that they row and fight, you can tell she is not a happy woman and that he is a controller, she does as she is told.
I feel as though they have had a lot of high up help in concealing facts and evidence, I know this clinic in Glasgow that his brother has pulls a lot of power and influential people from all over the world go there, the clinic is so called private and for drug rehabilitation and yet the likes of Blair and Brown have been there plus Royality, now what is this all about, this is where his continued help is coming from.
Does anyone have anything about this clinic and what goes on there? I am sure it is all linked.
There is lots more I would like to say but for noew I will have to leave off. I am praying for Kate and Gerry MaCann and theit two other little children because only when their spirit knows some kind of peace can healing take place, in this healing the truth should come out.
Blessed Be little Maddie, you are loved and cared about all over the world and in the heavens above. xxxx
Site Admin: The clinic you mention is Castle Craig near Peebles. The owner of the clinic has said he is not related to Gerry McCann.
December 10th, 2011 at 5:52 am
If Yvonne found David Payne’s face familiar, why has she not followed this up to establish whether she had indeed been in contact with him during an earlier investigation, especially in view of such a high profile case? Maybe I am missing some of the updates?
Site Admin: Good point. It doesn’t appear that anyone has heard of Yvonne Martin since the Madeleine McCann case files were released in 2008. If anyone out there knows what happened to Yvonne then feel free to contact Truth for Madeleine. It would appear that she has gone the same way at the Smith Family in Ireland.